This Shit is Why (Update)

"Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness" (long-voyager-2nd-edition) 08/26/2019 at 16:55 • Filed to: New Cars

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I’ve stayed out of new vehicles.

Our 2018 is already developing 2 issues. One is common and covered under warranty, the other I’m currently researching, but it looks as though it’s one of those “within spec” things so many manufacturers are doing these days.

Problem 1: The leading edge of my hood is already starting to bubble. What the actual fuck? A 1 year old vehicle already starting to rust?

Problem 2: When we started it up Saturday morning, we were greeted by a plume of blue smoke rolling out the back. Really? Burning oil at 51k miles? According to Mopar, 1 qt every 500 miles is normal under aggressive driving, 1 qt every 750 miles under normal use. Are you for fucking real? If any of my 25+ yo vehicles use more than 1/4 qt between oil changes I’m looking for a fucking issue!

The best part of problem 2, if the engine goes due to being low on oil, it’s not covered under warranty!

The oil consumption BS seems to be a deal across the board for manufacturers and I’m not sure why people have just accepted it, I run 5w20 in the Acclaim, which has around 230k miles on the motor, that uses 1/2 qt between changes if I’m running it really hard, I never have to add oil between changes.

Needless to say, I’m seriously thinking about dumping this new van and just sticking with my old stuff.

Update:

After checking the oil again at work, I found the dealer must have overfilled it when they did the oil change as even after the giant plume of oil out the back, it still reads over full on the dipstick. So hopefully that’s all it was and it will be fine once I drain some out to the proper level.

Called the dealer about the hood bubbling, Mopar is covering a new hood/repaint, so that will be getting fixed next week.

Hopefully the oil was just a too full thing and it will be fine now, if not I’m not sure we’ll be keeping it much longer.

PartyPooper2012 > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 07:33

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True story. 2007 Corolla SE was going through quarts of oil between oil changes. Called toyota and they said - yeah. that’s normal. What? What do you mean normal? What is happening to the oil - pouring out onto roadway? Blowing plumes out of the exhaust? They pedaled back a bit.. .said well maybe 4 quarts between oil changes is a bit excessive but that means whoever had the car before you, ran the car without oil and burned up the rings.

Well, why in the actual fuck do you think they ran it dry? No one expects to add 4 dinosaurs worth of oil every 3000 miles.

And for this reason, I am also out. Toyota can eat a bag of lemons.

Tho... to be fair. I have a lexus gx 470 - manual says might have to add a quart of oil every 600 miles... BUT... have not had to.... knocks on head, wood... crotch... whatever has wood

How is this practice safe for environment? To literally be pouring quarts of oil out during normal use?

RacinBob > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 07:34

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What vehicle and engine are we talking about?

Maxima Speed > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 07:38

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What?!? That’s insane. My Solara doesn’t use ANY noticeable difference between oil changes . That’s a  15 year old car.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > PartyPooper2012 08/26/2019 at 07:41

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Our 2012 Corolla S ate 2 engines under warranty, along with 3 manual transmissions going to hell. There’s a reason I hate Toyota as well.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Maxima Speed 08/26/2019 at 07:42

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None of my 90s vehicles do. The Acclaims motor has around 240k, if I beat it hard it’ll use about 1/2 a qt between changes. The vans use none.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > RacinBob 08/26/2019 at 07:42

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Our 2018 Grand Caravan with the 3.6 Pentastar.

sony1492 > RacinBob 08/26/2019 at 07:43

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V6 2018 Grand Caravan

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 07:48

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We’ve got a 19 year old 270,000 kilometre Subaru that doesn’t use any significant amount of oil between services. I’m pretty sure that’s not with community specifications or even expectations for an old Subaru but it’s a fine thing. You'd expect a near new Chrysler to manage something similar...

For a new car to be consuming lubricant at the rate quoted...it’s broken. For the supplier to sell that sort of horseshit as ‘in spec’... they’re broken.

sony1492 > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 07:50

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Damn, sorry to hear the new car isnt working out. Maybe this is a result of manufacturers running higher ect's and Leaner Afrs for emissions? Improper breakin?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 08/26/2019 at 07:51

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Like I said, my 95 Acclaim at 240k on the motor maybe uses 1/2 qt between changes, not enough to add oil at any point.

For manufacturers to claim 1 qt every 750 miles is normal is a fucking joke.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > sony1492 08/26/2019 at 07:52

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Going to put it on new cars being cheap crap sold at a premium.

sony1492 > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 08:00

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“The  Art of Capitalism”

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 08:02

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What kind of oil does it take? It seems like one of the side effects of the 0W oils manufacturers are using in everything these days to deal with the tigher tolerances and to help fuel economy is that they burn a little bit of oil. All my family’s cars burn a little bit with the worst offender being my sister’s 2012 Impreza at about 1qt  every 6k miles. I’m curious to see what my Corolla does in this regard. I don’t think 0W-16 even counts as oil and I’m going to be spanking it pretty hard.

A QT every 750mi is completly broken though. Subaru is replacing engines under warranty at about half that.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 08:36

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Wow...wtf...my 2009 che apest of cheap, base model Korean ecobo x barely uses any oil between changes...

Yeah, I might consider selling it if that’s the case...

OmerCarrothers333 > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 08:39

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Er, as I former Dodge owner, I’ve come to the conclusion that the old “Mopar or no car” saying actually means “if you foolishly decide to buy a Mopar, you will soon wish you did not have a car.”

That said, that's some bullshit.

Chuckles > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 08:43

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The oil issue surprises me. My 2012 Fiat, made by the same company as your van, doesn't need any oil between changes.

Tripper > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 08:45

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“According to Mopar, 1 qt every 500 miles is normal under aggressive driving, 1 qt every 750 miles”  

BMW does this too but only on M cars, at least the last I’ve heard and it’s a qt every 700.

With my E90 I was “lucky” enough to go 650 one time between adding. They looked at it, for the standard $50 deductible and came back saying “uh yea damn it burns oil. They sent out a sample of my oil for diag, and said that they would take further action based on the report and my continued log of sub 700 mile top ups. I was honestly pretty pumped on the way there were handling it. However, like you I thought “cars burning oil is normal, fuck that!” Then a bunch of electrical gremlins came out of the wood work and I decided to ditch it.

I have another M3 and it doesn’t “use” any oil.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 08/26/2019 at 08:48

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This is truth. My three most recent vehicles are all high-pressure turbos, two fords and a hyundai. None of them consume(d) any meaningful amount of oil between changes... Because none of them are/were broken. This “a quart every x miles is normal” crap is manufacturers covering thier asses to avoid warranty repairs for high labor cost, low parts cost jobs. They know that the tolerances in thier engines are very tight and offer little room for error, (smaller rings, tighter piston fit, higher compression, etc...) “minor” assembly error, slightly out of spec part, or even a seemingly minor slip up by an owner can throw those tolerances out. It would kill their profit margin to fix “every little” oil consumption issue under warranty so they say its normal to avoid fixing the small problems. In a way they’re right, the engine will probably run fine, develop near normal power, and probably even meet emissions spec for years with this kind of issue... It doesnt mean it’s designed to burn oil, it just means its not broken ENOUGH to bother fixing.

gettingoldercarguy > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 08:54

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Subarus have a bad reputation for using oil as far as they use gasoline. Ours stays rock solid but I use thick oil. A blend of 0w30 and 0w40 amsoil to get a 3.5hths. T hin oils are bad for so many reasons and good for one.

Spanfeller is a twat > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 09:01

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I should check my oil....

Alfalfa > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 09:05

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Italians ¯\_()_/¯

Michael > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 09:18

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Piston rings are getting smaller/thinner, in the name of “efficiency”

That *may* let more oil past in a motor from 2018 vs a motor from 1998. That being said, my 3MZ-FE, 2UZ-FE and 3S-GTE motors really don’t lose oil between changes. Usually they go from the “top” of the indicator hole at the top of the safe zone, to the “bottom” of the top indicator hole.

DipodomysDeserti > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 08/26/2019 at 09:23

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I’ve never heard of a Subie, new or old, not consuming oil. You hit the jackpot.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 09:25

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According to Mopar, 1 qt every 500 miles is normal under aggressive driving, 1 qt every 750 miles under normal use.

And I thought Toyota’s 1 qt/1200 miles was bad. We did manage to fail that test and get the piston rings replaced on our Matrix under warranty though.

That was the first car I ever had to add oil to between changes, since the fix though it’s been good. *knocks on wood*

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 09:42

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After 2000 miles, my G37 still hasn’t burned oil and they’re notorious for that. Absolutely ridiculous that a new van can’t do the same as a 10 year old car with 181k miles

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 09:50

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That sucks; 1qt every 500 miles is ridiculous. I know some cars burn oil more than others but no one should be dumping in a quart at every gas fill up unless they’ve got a goddamn spinning  triangle motor.

benn454 > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 09:59

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 WTF. If one of my vehicles used a quart of oil every 750 miles, I'd be looking for a hole somewhere. That's ridiculous! 

someassemblyrequired > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 09:59

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Hmm I haven’t noticed bad oil consumption in our 2013 Pentastars , generally running about 5K miles between changes and running 5w20 conventional or semi-synthetic (maybe 1/2 quart between changes under high and hot conditions) . That doesn’t sound normal.  PCV/EGR issue?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > someassemblyrequired 08/26/2019 at 10:07

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Seems its a common issue with Penta powered vehicles.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 08/26/2019 at 10:08

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I guess I’d expect a new van to use less oil than my 25yo 240k mile engine in my car.....

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 08/26/2019 at 10:09

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If a car uses more than a qt between changes I’m looking for a leak somewhere, 1 qt every 750-1k is absolutely ridiculous.

I don’t understand how people are just ok with this?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Michael 08/26/2019 at 10:11

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That’s what my 1994 and my 1992 do between 5k changes using conventional oil. My 1995 will lose 1/2 qt in the same 5k changes, but it has 240k and gets beat regularly.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > gettingoldercarguy 08/26/2019 at 10:12

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Eh, the one they claim is good isn’t worth all the bad. Does that 1/2mpg really matter when you’re dumping 5 qts in to make your oil change?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Chuckles 08/26/2019 at 10:12

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Apparently it’s a Pentastar thing.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > OmerCarrothers333 08/26/2019 at 10:14

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Any of my 90s era Mopars have been damn bulletproof til well over 150k+, so I guess it depends on the era you’re speaking of.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 08/26/2019 at 10:15

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It takes 5w20 ( which is what I use in my 240k 6G72 without issue ).

I have to wonder how much that 1/2 mpg really matters when you’ve gotta burn 6 qts of oil between changes to get it.....

OmerCarrothers333 > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 10:20

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I had a new Dart, so the more modern era of EYE-TALIAN Mopars.

Ssfancyfresh > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 10:21

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A quart every 500 miles is insane. How far does a tank of gas go on that thing? 400 miles? So nearly a quart at every fill up? No.

Even the 750 mile figure is baloney .

Was not aware of this as a pentastar issue. I didn’t see this kind of oil  consumption with our Jeep Grand Cherokee. Weird

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Ssfancyfresh 08/26/2019 at 10:24

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I can make about 450 miles cruising, so ya, a qt every fill up.

If something is using more than a qt every 5k miles, there’s an issue IMO, that’s not normal.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 10:33

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I don’t get it either. When I first took it in and they told me that 1qt/1200miles was “normal” usage I was dumbfounded. I expect that kind of usage from a high mileage, hard run, 30 year old engine (even then my ‘93 F150 with 242k miles doesn’t burn a drop) , not something less than 10 years old.

someassemblyrequired > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 10:38

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Weird, ours have been great on that front, though I’ve had them both since new and used short change intervals and swapped the air filter yearly.

I’d say run a thicker oil, but it might cause issues with the VVT.   Warm it up and dump it on Carmax if the solution isn’t apparent.

WildlyMild > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 10:41

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At work when 3.6 pentastars come in they’re typically only low when they go over the interval mileage or the owner parks them outside and has a heavy right foot shortly after start-up. In those instances they DRINK oil. Other manufacturers  actually seem worse than the mopar stuff.

I feel like this whole oil consumption thing is going to play out like diesel gate. Manufacturers seem to be taking advantage of a loophole to improve mpg’s.

gmctavish needs more space > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 10:45

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Good lord. My 300k km Chevy 4.3 used about 1L if I went 7000km before a change instead of 5000km.

“Within spec” for Chrysler is burning more than my friends e28 535i with kms somewhere north of 280k kms , that had been wailed on most of its life.

JustAnotherG6 > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 10:49

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I haven’t noticed any oil consumption in o ur 2012 VW Routan (same Pentastar as the GC... in fact same most things as the GC). We bought it new and are pushing 90k. Only issue we have had was one bank of cylinders would misfire from time to time. I think it was the ignition coil packs but the dealer couldn’t find anything wrong with it even after a leak down test. Fortunately, all that took place under warr anty and we were down 1 vehicle for about 24 hours. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 10:56

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I have the Subaru Outback that was under the class action lawsuit. It was burning 1qt/1,000 miles and subaru replaced the short block under warranty. They claim it was defective piston rings . The car is about 40k past the short block replacement and seems to be doing fine.

I’m with you tho, this issue seems to be all to common, I’ve heard about excessive oil consumption in most major manufacturers vehicles. From Honda, Toyota, FCA, Hyundai etc.... Most of these cars are newer and are attempting to reach better and better fuel consumption numbers. I wonder what they would be like if I ran some normal weight oil like 5w-30? Would it have been better, would the rings have worn out as easily? My Outback takes straight 20 FWIW. 

Takuro Spirit > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 11:49

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Hood bubbling is affecting nearly every manufacturer that uses aluminum hoods. Ford is worse, but at least they will replace the whole hood under warranty. FCA will only allow a re-paint unless there’s an actual rust HOLE.

The burning oil thing doesn’t happen all  the time, does it? My truck (3.6l) did it once, and never since. Then again I don’t check my oil at all (who does on a new-ish car?) so I’m just hoping its st ill full, and that there’s no blue plume every day and I’m just not noticing it.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Takuro Spirit 08/26/2019 at 12:03

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Sounds like my hood will be getting replaced.

As far as the oil, idk, I’ve never thought to check it until I noticed the giant blue plume on startup this weekend. I’ll be checking it regular for a while, hopefully it’s just a fluke.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > JustAnotherG6 08/26/2019 at 12:05

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I tend to drive my stuff to around 200k ( sometimes more ), if this thing can’t make at least 150k without issue, it ain’t worth my time.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 08/26/2019 at 12:11

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The closest thing I had to 1qt/1200 miles was my 1989 Chevy 1500 with the 305. It had like 250k miles of hard abuse as a parts truck for the local JY. That would dump raw oil out the exhaust under WOT. Driven nicely I could make about 100 miles to a qt, beating it I could burn through 4 gallons of oil in about 20 miles......

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 12:23

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The hood bubbling is also affecting the pacificas with the aluminum hoods, Does the caravan have an aluminum hood too? There is a TSB out there for the Pacificas. Similar to what the mustangs had when they went to the retro style stang. Not sure the years, but it was something to do with the metal cleanliness.

As for the oil, holy batshit robin. That’s nuts. Our Pacifica is at the 57k mark and not a hint of oil burning or loss. My last black stone report probably at 40k or so said it was super clean oil, and it showed under expected wear with the solids that were in the sample. Maybe someone put the wrong oil in at some point? Those should run the 0w20 correct? That’s pretty bad though, shouldn’t be smoking a lick at your mileage.  

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 12:28

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Yeah, now that would be somewhat reasonable for an interval loss. I wonder what the EPA would say to those guidelines. I can’t think the emissions systems are setup to take that kind of added oil burning.

What oil do you use? I know we’ve been using the pennzoil platinum 0w20 for ours at every change that wasn’t at the dealer.  But I’ve also been cutting the interval in half, so about every 4-4.5k instead of the computer zeroing out at 8-9k.  

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 08/26/2019 at 12:30

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Not sure on the hood material, but I just got off the phone with the dealer and it’s going to be covered by Chrysler, so that’s NBD.

As for the oil, I checked it again at work today, I found it’s still full, so I’m thinking someone over filled it when it got changed and the plume was it just burning off the excess oil. Fingers crossed. It runs 5w20, same as I run in my car.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 12:31

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Yup, 177k on my dakota, but the trans might finally be giving up. But can’t complain, I’m not nice to my little truck. It definitely doesn’t owe me anything at this point. But fresh fluids has been key.  

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 12:35

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5w20 and not 0w20, that’s interesting.  The Pacifica is a 0w20 oil.  I wonder what changed with the newer pentastars?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 08/26/2019 at 12:36

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It runs 5w20, not sure what the dealer uses for oil, but it’s getting changed there currently ( 3 free changes ). I run the recommended 5k interval on it, which it has had since new.

When I start changing it myself, I’ll be using Valvoline Synpower as I’ve always had great results with Valvoline.

Penzoil must have come a long way in the last decade or so, I used to walk away from vehicles using Penzoil after seeing the oil in my old Acclaim and the wife’s old truck on Penzoil. It was pretty amazing either still ran with the way the oil looked on those ( pull the drain plug and wait for the glob followed by black/burnt oil ), I switched both to Valvoline, and after my first couple short interval changes, never had an issue again.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 08/26/2019 at 12:38

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195 k on my 1994 when the trans started losing 2nd gear, beat to hell on and off road, so I wasn’t complaining. 205k on the wife’s 1995 when I exploded it doing a reverse drop at my friend’s place, again, not complaining.

Keep the fluids clean and they last just as well as anything else.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 08/26/2019 at 12:39

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Added 4 hp? No idea, says 5w20 on my fill cap and in my owner’s manual.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 12:41

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Well you have to look at it from the standpoint of who is buying the cars new. Mostly leases I imagine for one, so by the time the symptoms materialize, that vehicle has been turned in. People like you and I who will buy the lease returns, the car companies don’t give a shit about because we don’t prop up their sales figures. And no warranty by that point. Doesn’t make it right, but realistically, they just need to get them to 36,000 miles, or sometimes less, and then they are someone else’s problem.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 12:50

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That’s odd.  I forgot yours in a a 2018 too, mine is a 2017, I’ve got to think it’s the same engine, just different paperwork.  Sounds like somebody didn’t want to edit the manual and change out the cap.  Lol. 

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 12:52

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Yeah, I’ve been happy with my little blue truck.  This past week I did a fluid change and a band adjustment and the pan was the worst one ever.  The magnet was a full 1/4” of metal fuzz and there was actual gold metal fines in the bottom of the pan.  Doesn’t look good, but I’ll run her till it goes and grab a reman.  

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 12:55

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Yeah the older pennzoil wasn’t nice, I was the same way.  Till the platinum stuff showed up.  It’s a natural gas base oil, and meets the MS spec in the manual.  I’ve been a Mobil 1 guy for a looong time, but they didn’t meet the spec, so I had to look elsewhere.  And after the Blackstone report, I’ll stick with it.  

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 08/26/2019 at 16:06

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I should send my vehicle’s oil out to blackstone just to see, but I’ve tore down my 200k+ motors and found the factory honing still in the cylinders, so I’m not real worried.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 08/26/2019 at 16:09

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Thankfully I have an extended factory warranty to 100k, so I have plenty of time yet ;)

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 16:34

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We opted to get the lifetime warranty for ours. Should be interesting as time goes on.  This is my first and likely last new car purchase, we were ready for the bigger vehicle just as the new pacificas were hitting the lots, and even then we waited as long as we could before our 4th little one was born to make the purchase.  Would’ve loved to scoop one up a year or two old, but they were so much nicer than the older Dodges and the now last gen odyssey, so we bit the bullet.  Now we’re in for the long haul.  

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 16:38

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Yeah, I did it more out of making sure I didn’t have a cooling leak into the oil. I had noticed a slight drop off in the coolant reservoir and ran into an issue with my S8 that the Blackstone report steered me to replace a leaking oil cooler after coolant was found in the oil. So I figured why not.

Doesn’t hurt to get a baseline either, but you’d have to find out what oil the dealership is putting in your van to get the best out of the testing.  

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 08/26/2019 at 16:52

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Would’ve loved to scoop one up a year or two old, but they were so much nicer than the older Dodges and the now last gen odyssey, so we bit the bullet.

Funny you say that, my wife and I were just talking when we were test driving vehicles how they all felt on par with our 1992 Caravan quality wise, they just had more gimmicks to try to cover it up.

Driving the 92, the 2018, and a 2019 Pacifica back to back, we found the Pacifica had the most road noise ( yes, even more than our 92 ) . Our 2018 rides stiffer than my 92, but handles better thanks to the GT suspension, the Pacifica felt identical to our 92 ( smooth ride, but overly rolly ) . We also found the Pacifica seats uncomfortable to spend any time in, meanwhile our 2018 is very comfortable, as is our 92. Idk what it is about the Pacifica, but it just felt cheap to us. Many new vehicles felt this way when we drove them, we were seriously appalled at the quality of most new/newer vehicles, and that’s using our 90s vehicles as a baseline .

I personally don’t like the looks of the Pacifica either, I much prefer the Grand Caravan’s body style, but I’m partial to the old vans, which the GC pulls off wonderfully.

No offense to your purchase, I hope it makes you very happy, they just weren’t right for us. I’ve heard a lot of good about them, so hopefully yours will treat you well.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:04

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That reminds me. I need to bring in the Taco for paint work. Some on the bed has flaked off. As far as the oil consumption, I believe the standard is 1 qt per 1K miles and even that is tied to environmental reason. In reality, no vehicle should burn more than a qt between changes.

HammerheadFistpunch > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:05

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1 qt per 500? Is it a 2 stroke? Seriously. I have 312,000 miles and I get about 1/2 qt per 5000 consumption if I use lightweight synth and no consumption on heavy stuff. Seriously though, if you figure 19mph city and 500 miles severe duty that’ s .25 gallons per 500 miles range which works out to 105:1 ratio...about what even older 2 stroke outboards mix at. 

Textured Soy Protein > Takuro Spirit 08/26/2019 at 17:07

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How would an aluminum hood develop a rust hole? 

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Future next gen S2000 owner 08/26/2019 at 17:10

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Even the 1qt/1k miles is a ridiculous standard IMO. I run 5w20 in my 1995 Acclaim and it only uses 1/2 qt in 5k, on conventional , and that’s only if I’m beating it.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > HammerheadFistpunch 08/26/2019 at 17:11

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1/2qt per 5k is what my car does running 5w20 conventional, that has 240k on it, and it has never been treated nicely.

Chariotoflove > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:13

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I have to believe these are just initial bumps in the road (not the bumps in the hood, rust is inexcusable), and that they will smooth out. I know how much you loved getting this thing.  Give it a chance.

dogisbadob > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:20

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wait till the transmission goes :(

and 100 more > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:22

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Your van has the 3.6? They’re generally accepted as being quite reliable, aside from some head gasket issues in the earlier years of their adoption. I have the 3.6 in my GC, and it doesn’t burn any oil, or so little as to be negligible. That whole “half a quart every XXX miles” bullshit makes me wonder of there’s actually a significant difference bet ween the transverse 3.6 vs the sup posedly-identical-but-turned-90° 3.6 in the GC and Wrangler.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:23

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It is ridiculous but such is life.

benjrblant > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:25

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1 qt every 750 miles under normal use

uhh.... that’s a lot of oil.

Nick Has an Exocet > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:29

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Is the hood steel or aluminum? Mustangs since the S197 have had insane hood corrosion issues with the aluminum hoods.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Chariotoflove 08/26/2019 at 17:32

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Strangely the more I drive it, I find myself loving my old ones even more.....

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Nick Has an Exocet 08/26/2019 at 17:33

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No idea......Honestly, no care, it’s inexcusable regardless.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:33

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If things like these are the issue and covered under warranty, and you like your dealer, why not keep it until the warranty is close to up then dump it? I assume it would cost you more overall that way because of depreciation?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > benjrblant 08/26/2019 at 17:33

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Just change filter every 5k?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Future next gen S2000 owner 08/26/2019 at 17:34

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Why though?

Why have we as a society let this become the norm?

And how are people blind to it?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > and 100 more 08/26/2019 at 17:35

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Its a common issue among all 3.6s from what I’ve found.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > dogisbadob 08/26/2019 at 17:36

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Not worried about that, it’s basically an A604 with 2 gears added, change the fluid/filter regularly and they’ll last well over 200k, even under hard abuse.

Now if you maintain them like the average person, they’ll be bitching when their trans goes at 120k, still running the original fluid/filter....

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/26/2019 at 17:38

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I can dump it now and go back to no payments.......What’s the point of a “new” car if it’s going to spend as much time in the shop as my 25 yo cars?

Future next gen S2000 owner > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:55

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I think because it is fairly rare.

benjrblant > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 17:57

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Easy there. It’s not 100% new, 50k miles is still a moderate amount and a few odds and ends are to be expected on a recently acquired vehicle. I’d think it would take a bit longer to determine if it’s really as much work- at least work out a few initial kinks?

Chariotoflove > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 18:11

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Well, there's blessing in that too.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 18:33

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“After checking the oil again at work, I found the dealer must have overfilled it when they did the oil change as even after the giant plume of oil out the back”

That’s really bad. For one thing, overfilling can cause seals to blow. And burning that oil can’t be good for the 02 sensors or catalytic converters.

Yet another reason why I like to do my own oil changes.

Even the “professionals” at dealers often can’t get simple things like that right.

And I don’t think oil consumption is an across the board thing. All of the cars I’ve owned used very little oil between changes. That includes my current Fit, a couple of Focii, a PT Cruiser, a Saab, a Civic and a couple of Escorts.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 18:38

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Well I would think the difference would be that you get a replacement when it’s in the shop (I assume) and it is of no cost to you? If I’m wrong about that and if you  can buy a car that will be less of a hassle for the price of a couple months payments then flush that turd.

and 100 more > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 19:11

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I’m seeing that now, jeez what a mess . Check your airbox clips, and your oil filter housing (since it’s plastic and prone to cracking, what with being located in the valley and all that heat).

A guy could make a small fortun e selling a billet oil filter housing replacement... all it would take is an OEM part, a 3D scanner, and a CAM machine.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 08/26/2019 at 21:04

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Phew...sucks about the rust on the hood, that’s terrible for such a new vehicle, but at least it’s a warranty repair!

As for the engine, glad it was just overfilled....NOT glad in the sense that it could’ve ruined something and it would be the dealer’s fault and that they are incompetent, but at least it wasn’t a major issue. I was going to say, as far as I had heard, the Pentastars seemed to be stout enough engines, so I was really surprised at first when we thought it was an oil-burning problem!

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/26/2019 at 21:20

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Lol, yeah as they say different strokes and all.  We were cross shopping the last gen odyssey and the new pacificas, I guess we also didn’t really bother much looking too hard at the GCs.  We had an odyssey for a few days and when I was on my way to return it I was so happy to climb back into my car.  I felt it was nice but just soulless.  The next day we were able to get behind the wheel of a Pac and it was night and day, so had we taken a step back and given more consideration to the GCs. We probably could’ve been sold on one of those instead.  I’m a big fan of the styling though, but that being said, I also love that GC you picked up.  That trim package is the best version of those gen vans by a long shot.  And even without swapping the wheels, it still looks good.  Now if you put a 9” wide wheel on there it would be perfect.  Something about that 9-10” wide wheel just makes any car look better IMO.  But I digress.  Now that we’re talking about it though. My MIL needs a van too, we will have to check out the GCs too.  

wafflesnfalafel > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/27/2019 at 00:01

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I’ve seen press on leaks from the 3.6, but no specific oil consumption issues, (like BMW, Toyota, Subaru, etc.) My FIL has a Durango with the 3.6 and the valves clatter quite a bit on startup but it doesn’t seem to burn oil from what he’s said.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > wafflesnfalafel 08/27/2019 at 07:06

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This one seems to have the cold clatter as well.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > and 100 more 08/27/2019 at 07:07

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Or an OEM, Solidworks, Autodesk, and a couple old VMC Trees.......

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 08/27/2019 at 07:18

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I have 3 perfectly good vehicles in my driveway....Don’t need to buy anything, just cut out the crap......

The fact that those 3 vehicles cost me far less than a monthly payment to keep on the road is another reason we held off on a car payment for so long.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 08/27/2019 at 07:19

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I got free oil changes upon purchase, figured why pay when I can have it done for free. Apparently I should stick to my “other mechanics are incompetent twats” theory and just do it myself anyway.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > benjrblant 08/27/2019 at 07:23

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They’ve had since 2012 to “work the kinks out” of this drivetrain. There’s no reason there should be anything to work out  on a “proven” drivetrain.

IMO if a vehicle can’t make 150k without issue, it’s not worth my time. If vehicle quality has tanked that terribly in the last 20 years ( hint, it has ) , I’ll just go back to old reliable vehicles.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Future next gen S2000 owner 08/27/2019 at 07:25

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With all the class action lawsuits, complaints online, and implementing a 1qt/1.5 k mile industry standard it can’t be that rare. That tells me that instead of fixing the problem, they just changed the rules to make the problem ok, and it’s been enough of a problem to force them to do so.